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"We are plain quiet folk and have no use for adventures. Nasty disturbing uncomfortable things! Make you late for dinner!" - Bilbo (Hobbit) to Gandalf (Wizard).The Shire is an inland rural area settled exclusively by Hobbits, largely sheltered from the rest of Middle Earth. They also eat two breakfasts. Beyond the Shire dwell the rest of Middle Earth's inhabitants, including the kingdoms of Man, Dwarves, and Elves. Doxbridge 3 | Open Final One does not simply fit all of their lord rings knowledge in seven minutes I'll just get right into it Characterization when saturn is defeated there is no outside threat to the shire so this is the important part of the reason why that's in the motion. Let's not characterize the shire without sauron (A) number one if you've read the book it's perfectly idyllic, we're talking about close-knit communities with large groups of friends, big families hanging out together. They have regular festivities in the spring and summer you're literally down at the pub every day downing drinks with your mates and smoking smoking the pipe you live ahead in this life you have four or five meals every single day the life is good in the shire that's why they never left it before bilbo A relatively peaceful environment with close close communal ties (B)two you are self-subsistent insofar as most of these people own property that in the form of fields and vegetables where they grow things and staples that they eat themselves and also sell to others but even the close-knit communities you also probably get an apprenticeship at like the local windmill as literally happens in the shire there's also no clear class divide insofar as most of them have very good dwelling so even Bilbo who was the richest and had Bag end was not considered weird because he was rich. He was weird because he was weird, so the class divide is not probably in the shire Infers a self sustaining economy with little impact of class division C) three you are protected from outside intrusion so the borders of the shire are protected by the dunadine rangers which means that any kind of wild beast or marauding orge that may come onto your borders will never even be seen within the shire let alone harm it No perception of outside threats because the chances of the community witnessing it is very low D) lastly you have no need to travel right because your definition of good and happiness is different . The memories you've heard from your parents about the things that seem cool and you want to do when you grow up as a big hobbit is an oxymoron but doesn't matter are different from the things that usual humans do right because they are related to the shire specifically which means you do not grow up dreaming the far away world. Contests the definition of happiness since its is solely constructed by your experiences in the shire Therefore, when you talk about the average hobbit because this motion brings an abstract entity of an average hobit has no reason on comparative to leave the shire although some two because they're crazy. Re-emphasizes the wording of the motion regarding the average hobit Let's compare this to the outside world - 1) one most outside races have never encountered a halfling because hobbits in the shire tend to themselves which means that at the best you are a strange occurrence in a strange world. People do not take you seriously. They look at you at you awe and with a strange gaze essentially they don't really want to communicate with you nor are you able to get any kind of idol opportunities for networking. I don't know why they would leave in the first place High likelihood of Xenophobia as the hobbits were mostly isolationists and the outside world never interacted with them 2) secondly hobits have no combat skills .They are not a warrior race they don't have swords they didn't have blacksmiths nor they have an army or generals. No capacity to fight back against the dangers they would face outside the shire The only time they took up arms are the “battle of by water” to depose Saruman but opposition cannot time set a debate by the rules of bp. Meta-debate Material: Time cannot be set outside whats stated in the infoslide but the exception said may be somewhat contradictory to the point trying to be made So as an average hobbit probably have no idea how to defend yourself against white spiders walls or orcs from sauron's remaining army. 3)Three you're probably aware that you have a romanticized view of what is in the outside world.It's literally the books and stories of bilbo and frodo baggins which are aware are embellished stories that they tell to children as good night stories which means that they distrust them to begin with you have a distrust of the outside world This assumes that the “romanticized” view formed by the stories heard in the shire would come off being too unrealistic/fictional to the average hobbit. This could be exploited by OPP by re-characterizing the average hobbit to be dumb enough to believe it. 4) Fourthly note we're not talking about like the real world in 2020 like we travel for tourism we travel for jobs like in in that time it's like the medieval ages people traveled when they had things to do so bilbo traveled because the dwarves took him on an adventure to reclaim gold frodo got told to destroy the ring otherwise if you don't have business outside you don't travel there are no tourists there are no buses there are no airplanes traveling is dangerous and you don't go in search of jobs or like college in gondor or whatever you have everything you need in the shire Infrastructure and the desire for tourism didn’t exist at that time. PREEMPTIVE now what they can claim is ah but this all changes after frodo right because they know the pro to save the world and young kids want to be frodoit's a boy's dream and stuff like this (i)one as an average hobby you were the happiest in the world when frodo finally destroyed the ring but not because the world was safe but because after frodo got the ring, strange things started happening in the shire right- black riders came and they were interrogating farmers like there were more beasts and orcs on the border than ever before Saruman just came with a group of rebels and like conquered a village none of this ever happened in the shire before the Bagan's family like no more hobbits going on an adventure is the only thing you want because when they go they bring unrest to the shire you will finally have peace in your life and you don’t want to be the one to bring a lack of peace to the rest of the community Last time some one deviated from the norm, i.e went outside/Frodo got the ring, terrible things started happening to the shire and you probably don’t want to be responsible if the past were to repeat itself (fear of backlash) (ii) Secondly, even if some children dream of being Frodo their parents will probably be like “yeah frodo is cool and like he saved the world we should all celebrate frodo and uncle frodo will tell you a story but you just stick to your potatoes isn't really for you it's probably a dangerous thing to go out there right on the road alone”. Even if case: Parents would discourage their children from going on a dangerous journey So most hobbits have no incentive to go and this is where I get to the point of socialization because in the hobbit society it's weird if you want to go outside so even after bilbo baggins returned from his adventures so he literally reclaimed gold from a dragon quite awesome if i do that and i tell your panel i reclaim gold from a dragon you would say athene you are awesome no in the shire they were like this guy is just quite wacky so it's like 1 11 12 birthday party or whatever it was the reason why they came was because of the food like not because of bilbo they think that it's weird to want to leave the shire and you are probably socialized in that way because you probably belong to a family that's not the Baggins you're probably like the Sackvilles or the Bolgers or the Proudfoots who are all conservative old hobbits who think that this era of weird stuff in the shire is something we should do away with so therefore a good of it is one that stays in the shire It would be considered weird to go outside the shire and since it is equally likely for you to be part of other hobbit families (who might as well be more conservative) the narrative is probably more commonplace IMPACT this therefore means that (1) one you are less likely to consider wanting to leave in the first place (2)but secondly you probably weigh off the harms of when you come back because you do not dream of moving somewhere else and buying your dream house in rivendell there's no internet you don't know how it looks like you probably want to go on an adventure see the world and come back when you come back you don't want to be like a person who just tells stupid stories of how they did things that nobody's going to believe and it's going to be like the laughingstock of the of their friends when they go down to the pub and when they tell all of this there's absolutely no real incentive for you to go outside especially when you keep in mind that the outside world in this case is particularly dangerous right apart from big cities like untraveled roads and you probably don't have maps outside the charter there's no real cartography apart from like the mansion that Bilbo Baggins is made you probably have no knowledge of the dangers and you're likely to stray away from your path if you go on an adventure Unique material (requires rebutting of previously mentioned arguments) : No one will believe the stories you tell when you eventually return (as the chances of this occurring is high due to the lack of alternative incentives), so there’s no incentive to go outside to begin with . POI [NOT RELEVANT] before i move on to specifics on that i'll take a POI from closing- Is the there a system of reincarnation where hobbits are born hobbits due to some prior moral desert ? WelI, no I mean we probably operate within the lord of the rings universe there is no such thing as reincarnation there is like the eternity of the soul you can go to the grey havens if they deem you worthy but there is no such thing as rebirth in the universe usually you would have to claim why it's likely CONCLUSION but this is a weird why okay moving back to what i'm trying to say so given that you probably have no knowledge of the travel and untraveled paths around you and that apart from the big walled cities like eduras or ministeries you're probably in the wilderness which doesn't just have like wild beasts like huge spiders like you're wondering to work with their spiders you wonder to thank on their ants you wander to the edge of elven territory they take your prisoner because you're an intruder and the last small guy they saw was golem and that guy was really problematic you run into like like a camp of orcs that are trying to survive after sore and failure likely to die this means that every step you are more likely to encounter physical harm than you are to encounter physical pleasure and given that the incentive of a hobby particularly a hobbit is physical pleasure hedonism food drink the balance between pleasure and physical displeasure particularly because you also believe you will encounter pleasure Further emphasizes the importance of physical pleasure in regards to the average hobbit but could’ve been if said during characterization means that the average hobit is just not going to believe if i've ever won a debate from pm i mean i think i've done it now thank you speaker for his comments and now call on the leader of opposition you're here okay can everyone hear me okay great give me one second okay oh sorry just once Remarks The number of times the impracticality of going outside(no maps, dangers, etc ) was mentioned in the speech was unnecessary and could have been placed under a single concise argument.
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Why is life already good in the shire ?