Last Update - Wed Oct 30 2024
OO | DLO Xiao-ke Lu 87
LSE Open 2024
Feminism
Round 4
Introduction
Taylor Swift is the biggest female artist in the world. She has songs about how a fellow woman who she is envious of is successful because she is willing to do things on the mattress about how she's better than other women because she wears t-shirts where other people wear short skirts. Women are really really good because they celebrate promiscuity in our world. On the other hand they have girls who are told constantly by parents, teachers by employees by employers to dress better to not be such a slut, to control yourself .This is the world that rap is really really popular in. It's a fundamentally counter cultural movement that corrects deep and poisonous misogyny that restricts female sexuality and tell black women you're not beautiful on their side
Three classes
the first what on Earth is OG saying about algorithms and why is majority of Music
really really empowering on our side
the second thing about why gender Dre disect correct for biases and
the final thing is just
contextualizing it in the POINT of what hip hop looked like in the past
1st Clash
(1)First,
I'm sorry to say that modern rap music did not invent sexism. It didn't bring the bright idea aspiring artists it did not introduce a scantily clad backup dancer who has a single line in a music video.
Reemphasizes the symmetry in the debate
Reframming
What it did invent is aggressive female sexuality. It allows us to participate in the idea
that we are also people who earn a lot of money, who live the high life we're able to work our way to the top and we pick and choose from men as we desire.
it does push on the image of black female sexuality and the different kinds of body types that are desirable. It's bizarre for OG to say well they are technological changes, the algorithm
is something that means that you just copy the same music as everyone else.
few responses
the first is that algorithms apply to literally every genre of music. So if they're concerned about
how it replicates traumatic tropes then they have problem with every kind of music which is obviously bizarre
Pointing out why their argument isn’t exclusive by introducing a new symmetry
(2)two what are the problematic preferences that they think are bad because like everybody listens to them like this is a very very pick me kind of line it not the case because alot of people enjoy something that doesn't necessarily traumatic stereotypical I would say
there much more common take that rape is bad and if someone sings about how molly is
going to be put into women's drinks you go like who the fuck is this creep and you click away and that
makes way into you into your algorithms as well social media is something that has also come specifically with the rise
of modern hip hop music as well and what that means is that you opt into Cancel culture where you saythings like Drake is a fucking creep or Read Bad lyrics it therefore just listen to it and that…….
Not audible
mean it's in your algorithms and recommendations as well
two it's also the case that we have better Democratic and more rising niche artists as the result of modern hip hop because we have soundcloud because we have tik tok where because
we can with little snippet of cool interesting sounds but how many different other people that you really do well
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-Possible caseline : the low barrier of entry due to the existence of multiple platforms results in an environment that fosters creativity, competition, etc
a very strong incentive to make something that's different and challenges people preconceptions and I think that that's why really diverse music as well
Impact
for those reasons I don't think it's true that you just replicate traumatic stereotypes you get a of diversity music and people can choose the music that caters to them
Rebuttal
they what you can't reach people whose view really needs to be corrected
Misogynistic people won’t listen progressive forms of modern rap
Response
Two things
(1)The first thing is I don't care. It's fine if a sexist of man listens to sexist music if it also means that a woman who has gone though horrific rape and abuse gets to listen to music which makes them feel good about themselves for example. I think women should be able to listen to music makes her feel safe walking through streets or gives them the courage to stand up to their parents because that has a much more impact to their lives
confidence like
being will to tell your girlfriend that what she's bring to that change of behaviors much much more Thana music
encourag them to commit sexual harass and assault just because that veryable consequences and obviously our are more
convincing but the reason why I also don't care it's I think frankly that we
should let women decide what really feels good to them
2nd Clash
And the 2nd Main clash about why this means that music much better on our side
because they say that rape culture and misogyny is a big problem they that this music makes them better as well
Paraphrasing OG
Claim
The first reason is that this gives women sexual agency whereas it previously was unacceptable to think about women enjoy having sex and there were fewer female artists in the scene what this means
Analysis
(1)One men understand what it feels like to be a sexual object as well I think the empathy of being like this makes me feel kind of gross or it make me feel really good to get these kinds of compliments generally makes men better in the context of heterosexual relationships
-Creates countervailing narratives by flipping existing norms against men
-Balances preconceived gender roles in heterosexual relationships with the hopes of making men sympathetic towards women’s issues
-Further material regarding hypocrisy and deconstructing masculinity could have been made as the latter was a point of contention in OG
(2)Sub-Claim
number two it gives women the expectation that you should enjoy sex.
Analysis
That the partner should step Up for example that he do partake in sex which feels gross or uncomfy. The counterfactual is historically men describing what constitutes good sex that they enjoy and KN sex for women which I think okay and
(3)the third thing
is we would say also elevates female voices. They say it's just a sentence, it's just a snippet but it’s looks like Nicki Minaj in the fucking Grammys or someone receiving a huge award broadcasted to millions of people across America. It doesn't matter if you are a really closed man who hates women, you listen to that anyway as you have no choice and that's what makes modern rap so good because it's become so dominant that you hear these kinds of narratives no matter who you are. Like fine if you're old and 50 and a man in the midwest like you might think this quite outrageous . However, you start from a perspective like well obviously think some of the points that they're making are somewhat reasonable but this is going too far but his also invat some more basic conception that women rights to be being treated
well for example all the obviously harassment is bad I think that person makes people feel good as well
POI
I'll take the POI from closing Mat..
“traditional rap can be bad in similar or differently way that doesn't mean modern rap also has very bad consequence your empowerment of some women selectively self- selected empowerment comes to the cost of many many other women”
Del final CL which is I do think that
debate is retroactive and the reason is like the motion is this P believes that the effect that the effect has been
positive and that's more R in the context of society as well we would say that rap music has become that this
addition to the rest music industry has direct for many many bad things because the corrector gaps in the music industry
previously which was dominated by men in hip hop specifically which that the way which the black community was presented
was also very masculine for example but also the fact that the female artist who did while were also all women white
women in a majority of cases who sing about being like about about like heart gr for example and being left by a man
and otherwise often portray themselves as victims I the reason why at the end of the day female artists in Hip Hop
have become so successful is because they speak to avoid on people's experiences rather they make people feel
strong where they others previously felt me they say well it's more pricious because you question music that was made
in the '90s I don't think that's true because time you do something he resat with it and therefore you therefore you
IM Behavior doesn't matter what is from very happy to oppose